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Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:34 pm
by Shockwave
Yeah, I forgot 8472. Even the toy looked CGI.
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:14 pm
by Mako Crab
The Gorn were in Enterprise?! And they fucked it up with CGI?! I have to see this. The Gorn was one of my favorite episodes from the TOS!
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:40 pm
by Shockwave
Mako Crab wrote:The Gorn were in Enterprise?! And they fucked it up with CGI?! I have to see this. The Gorn was one of my favorite episodes from the TOS!
They didn't necessarily fuck it up, it was good for the time, I think what Sparky means is that the CGI didn't age well.
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:53 pm
by Sparky Prime
Mako Crab wrote:The Gorn were in Enterprise?! And they fucked it up with CGI?! I have to see this. The Gorn was one of my favorite episodes from the TOS!
I wouldn't say they fucked it up. It's just... Like Shockwave said it hasn't aged well. You could tell it was CGI, just like in TOS you could tell it was a guy in a costume. But yeah, a Gorn showed in in the mirrorverse episode they did, "In a Mirror, Darkly", part 2. They also showed a Tholian in part 1.
That's something Enterprise really missed out on... Showing more classic TOS aliens instead of forcing new aliens or aliens they shouldn't make contact with for another 100-200 years.
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:07 pm
by Mako Crab
Saw a brief clip of the Gorn on youtube. He doesn't look too too bad. But yeah, it's obvious it's CGI. Still- a big improvement over Species 8472. Is it just the head that's CGI or the whole Gorn? The clip was too brief to really get a good look.
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:09 pm
by 138 Scourge
I'm gonna ignore the whole thing about these Star Trek aliens, because if I didn't, I'd just start ranting about how dumb CGI effects look compared to proper effects. Well, they just do.
Tough call for me on the highpoint of TFs. I mean, my gut reaction is G1, because if that wasn't there, I wouldn't have given even half a shit about Beast Wars. G1 brought us a lot of these characters that every franchise seems hellbent on recycling. The cartoon was my thing back in the day, blowing away He-Man and MASK and whatever all else. It had giant robot dinosaurs. It had giant robot bugs. It had that awesome movie, which, if I still like it 25 years later, you can imagine what it did to my ten year old self when it came out. And even when I'd lost interest in the toys, I got dragged back in to the comics around the time that Furman had Unicron show up. And even after the comic ended (a whopping two months after I'd been dragged back in), a friend and I got inspired to talk and draw about what we'd do with these guys if we were given the chance. Even after that, that's the era that captures my imagination the most.
Honestly, other than that, I mean...Beast Wars certainly had my attention. Beast Machines had some of my favorite designs ever, and finally made Cybertron look like an alien planet. I loved Cybertron more than is entirely decent because it was the first TF show I'd seen since BM, and it's when I really got involved with the online fandom (meaning you fuckers). Animated just looked great, I'd been wanting a look like that for awhile in TF, and was happy it was connected to a pretty quality show. But all that stuff, I guess I'm still a GeeWunner at heart, because as much as I like Rattrap or Bulkhead or Lockdown or the sheer radness that was Cybertron Soundwave, I'll probably always like Grimlock and Scourge and G1 cartoon design Megatron better.
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:34 pm
by Sparky Prime
Mako Crab wrote:Is it just the head that's CGI or the whole Gorn? The clip was too brief to really get a good look.
The whole thing was CGI.
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:36 pm
by Mako Crab
Well that's just stupid. Especially if they're going to have him wrestling around with Archer and the rest of the cast. Get a real guy in a real suit and put a green-screen cap over his head. CGI up the head, and voila! The interactions with the live cast are more believable, and you just cut costs on expensive CGI!
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:51 pm
by Sparky Prime
I think they were trying to go for the most special effects they could pull off in those two episodes.
So in terms of high points in Transformers looks like the breakdown here is...
G1 - 2
BW - 2
BM/MarvelUK/IDW - 1
RID - 1
Animated - 1
"Modern Comics" - 1
Re: high points in the franchise
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:58 pm
by Ursus mellifera
Sparky Prime wrote:I think they were trying to go for the most special effects they could pull off in those two episodes.
So in terms of high points in Transformers looks like the breakdown here is...
G1 - 2
BW - 2
BM/MarvelUK/IDW - 1
RID - 1
"Modern Comics" - 1
Hey, I voted for Animated! Where's my "1"?