Bay Ninja Turtles Obligatory Bitch Thread

[Sparky Prime]

Those are called plot holes. When a character seemingly destroyed something in a movie before, but suddenly has it in the next movie with no explanation, most normal people go, "Wow, somebody dropped the ball there," and not, "Well, maybe he went back and got it inbetween movies!"

Those scenes where in the comics and novelizations, so it was in the original script for the movie. It just got cut from movie itself for what ever reason. Regardless, it still goes to show how scenes that didn't happen on the screen can sometimes still find their way back in sequels.

And from what I generally see, it seems like most normal people will criticize the creators for messing up but they'll still rationalize it with what may have happened between films/off screen.

Are we really arguing about TMNT cartoon continuity? That cartoon sucked.

I loved that cartoon when I was a kid.

[138 Scourge]

Pretty much done in this thread, I think. Threw out my...I don't even want to say arguments, but how about my Devil's Advocate stuff, and I think that's all I have to say about that. However, I do want to respond to this bit.

One I can think of right off is in the Friday the 13th moves. In the 9th one, it's shown that Jason keeps coming back from the dead because his mother used black magic to give him demon powers. Yeah, I know. Then you get the 10th one, where they just ignore that and imply that he's a mutant with super-regenerative powers. Whichever orgin you go with, it's still a big dude in a hockey mask going after kids with a machete.

I've never seen any of those films so I don't feel like I can really comment much about it.... But has Jason ever really been fleshed out as a character? I mean, isn't he essentially just a mindless killing machine in a hockey mask? His origins explain what he is but there really isn't any character to him for it to matter who he is. It's different for characters that have background that makes them who they are and what they are.

"Mindless" is an awfully harsh term. He's certainly determined, and a man of action rather than words, but there's bits here and there in the series where he shows some intelligence. And a few scenes where he shows evidence of being able to plan and to adapt to a situation. As for fleshing out the character...well, admittedly, Jason's a simple man with simple needs, but in Jason vs. Freddy they actually tried to make Jason a sympathetic character, because one of these nightmarish bloodthirsty monsters needed to be the more relatable one, and it was probably gonna be the special-needs kid that drowned due to poor lifeguarding and came back to avenge his momma instead of the razor-fingered child molester.

I freely admit I've put more thought into these movies than is strictly neccessary, but I'd never considered O6's voodoo resurrection angle. If his mom made him the way he is with black magic, then there's good odds he had a chance of that. And it'd explain his confusion when the Final Girl tries to bluff her way out of a bad situation by pretending to be Jason's mom. He became a body-hopper briefly, so he could probably believe that she could.

Anyways. In conclusion, I just don't see an origin story as that much of a big deal in most cases, but then, I really don't care for origin stories in general, especially in a franchise property where the "how they came to be" is spelled out pretty often. But clearly that's just me, so I'll bow out of this one.

Except for one more thing: You guys, there's gonna be plenty of other reasons to think this movie sucks besides the origin, I'd almost bet on it.

[Onslaught Six]

Except for one more thing: You guys, there's gonna be plenty of other reasons to think this movie sucks besides the origin, I'd almost bet on it.

We'll see. Bay is only producing; he produced the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street remakes, and those didn't have...well, okay, they did have lots of unnecessary nudity and potty humour, but they're slasher movies, that's their entire point. I think it's safe to say that those would be there even if Bay were never involved.

I'm taking a wait and see approach. I'll have more rage when I see a trailer, or filming happens, or a script leaks. As it is, we got nothin'.

[138 Scourge]

Except for one more thing: You guys, there's gonna be plenty of other reasons to think this movie sucks besides the origin, I'd almost bet on it.

We'll see. Bay is only producing; he produced the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street remakes, and those didn't have...well, okay, they did have lots of unnecessary nudity and potty humour, but they're slasher movies, that's their entire point. I think it's safe to say that those would be there even if Bay were never involved.

I'm taking a wait and see approach. I'll have more rage when I see a trailer, or filming happens, or a script leaks. As it is, we got nothin'.

I suppose that's true. Of course, if the movie's decent, it proves the point I was making about the relative importance of the origin. So I win either way with this argument.

(Rubs hands together, cackles with unholy glee)

I was okay with the Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th reboots, but I have to wonder if they were necessary. Especially with Friday the 13th. Why bother rebooting a franchise with eleven previous installments that all have little enough continuity anyway? Criminy, just put new dumb kids in Camp Crystal Lake and call it a day. Which, I guess, is what they did. Now they just need to make one more damn movie so they can have thirteen of 'em, because how awesome would that be?

[Sparky Prime]

"Mindless" is an awfully harsh term.

Harsh? He's a slasher film monster. I can understand he'd have enough brains to kill his victims and adapt to their dodging him but beyond that...

Of course, if the movie's decent, it proves the point I was making about the relative importance of the origin.

I'm sorry, but no it wouldn't. Even if it does turn out to be a decent film, it wont be a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film anymore. Not with them being aliens.

Look at it this way... What if the Transformers were built on Earth by humans and couldn't transform? They were just robots fighting each other because humans programmed them to. Would it still be Transformers? No. Instead that would a movie like "Real Steel".

[annhell]

(Still crying in the corner... )

[BWprowl]

Zombie topic rawr!

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/07/ ... -vancouver

Aliens invade Earth and inadvertently spawn a quartet of mutated reptile warriors, the Ninja Turtles, who rise up against them to defend the world.

So yeah. Optimism?

[Sparky Prime]

So we're back to them being mutants? That makes me a bit more optimistic about this film.

[Onslaught Six]

I fucking called it! Told you all.

[Mako Crab]

I was okay with the Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th reboots, but I have to wonder if they were necessary. Especially with Friday the 13th. Why bother rebooting a franchise with eleven previous installments that all have little enough continuity anyway? Criminy, just put new dumb kids in Camp Crystal Lake and call it a day. Which, I guess, is what they did. Now they just need to make one more damn movie so they can have thirteen of 'em, because how awesome would that be?

It would have to be called. "THE 13TH FRIDAY."

I liked the F13 remake. It was good fun, though the pop-out scare at the end was painfully cliche'd and dumb. Otherwise a fun flick.

I have some major problems with the Elm Street remake though. And it's not that they replaced Robert Englund as Freddy with Jackie Earl Haley, because JEH was pretty okay in the role. In terms of Freddy's power, Nancy as a simpering weakling of a nemesis, the use of nothing but pop-out scares, the complete gutting of the mob burning backstory and how that changed the whole point of Freddy's revenge, just. . . . the whole script was piss poor. It's like a bunch of fanboys were sitting around and wanted to write a Freddy script. They like Freddy. They know Freddy. But when they started writing, they didn't really get what makes the original movie work or what it's underlying themes were. I liked that they gave Freddy some real dialogue instead of stupid one-liners, and I liked the visual look of the movie, but otherwise, it was such a steaming pile of wasted potential.

And also, they left Freddy's hat on when he got killed at the end. Freddy's hat ALWAYS ALWAYS flies off his head right before he gets killed. It's tradition! When his hat falls off his head, you know he's in real trouble! And also it gets into issues of vanity and such, but y'know. . . .