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Well the idea behind his plan of turning the universe into a singularity is so that singularity can power Cybertron forever. Pretty extreme way to ensure Cybertron never runs out of power again, but there is a cold logic behind it.Dominic wrote:He wants it all....just because. Uh, that is...logical, right? Huge expensive plan to claim everything...just because.
Yay,Best news I've read all day. Runs off to do the Ren & Stimpy dance of joy.Dominic wrote: Well, they kill off *this issue. Nothing spectacular about it, but it is the most notable thing to happen.Spoiler
Bumblebee
"For Cybertron, it is logical." No, not even a little bit. What is the purpose of Cybertron in this state? What is the possibility of Cybertron being worth a damn overflowing with robots later when they're fueled by forever? Can't go anywhere, can't do anything, can't conquer, can't learn, can't nuthin'.Dominic wrote:He wants it all....just because. Uh, that is...logical, right? Huge expensive plan to claim everything...just because.Shockwave's big plan is finally revealed and it's stupider than stupid, but
Yeah, there's a whole event all to itself right there, really. Even could have the meta angle of talking about what DC is still withdrawing from, that of Batman-type characters aging out.Your idea about Magnus would be an interesting run of comics. No need for it to be dealt with in a single issue.That might make an interesting storyline, but it needs far more setup than a single issue can provide.
I guess, but I thought they had a shot at making it work.RiD got derailed. But, I tend to think "More than Meets the Eye" ended as it needed to. The characters were on an aimless journey together. And, now it is time for a new journey to begin.
Damned generous grade. Some of the art, especially the inking (I'm sure it's probably digital inking, but still) was atrocious, and then there's characters winking in and out of scenes panel to panel (Scoop) while nonsensical big things happen. The Ammonites fighting Metro didn't work on the page, they misfired there. The story wasn't the dumbest in the series but was still no great shakes, and felt rushed as fuck.Chapter 11:
Well, they kill off *this issue. Nothing spectacular about it, but it is the most notable thing to happen. Jhiaxus getting his new, toy-accurate, body is given more attention. And....oi. The logic is actually really bad while simultaneously reconciling why he looks like Starscream.Spoiler
Bumblebee
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Yup, all that hype about killing the character that we can all agree is the least likely to stay dead. Well, fine. I will bite. IDW has not gone all the way whole-hog "big 2" yet. So, I will stick with the Barber/Roberts books until they bring back Bumblebee.
Some stuff happens.
You're not looking at it from Shockwave's perspective. The only thing he's concerned with is ensuring the preservation of Cybertron and as he says in the previews for part 12, he believes he is transforming Cybertron into a paradise while he sees all life as having no value. Why would he care about going anywhere or conquering anything or any of that with that kind of cold logic?JediTricks wrote:"For Cybertron, it is logical." No, not even a little bit. What is the purpose of Cybertron in this state? What is the possibility of Cybertron being worth a damn overflowing with robots later when they're fueled by forever? Can't go anywhere, can't do anything, can't conquer, can't learn, can't nuthin'.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they pull some way to save him with everything that's going on.BB took a hit from Shockwave while the latter was under the effects of time dilation, the ability to save him should be easy peasy.
Yup, and this is why I always say "wait until the end" to see how it shakes out. (And, yes, I admit to jumping the gun in this case and not giving Barber/Roberts a chance to finish what they were saying.The only thing he's concerned with is ensuring the preservation of Cybertron and as he says in the previews for part 12, he believes he is transforming Cybertron into a paradise while he sees all life as having no value. Why would he care about going anywhere or conquering anything or any of that with that kind of cold logic?
The real point of "More than Meets the Eye" was never about finding the Knights. In real terms, it was to have the characters in space and doing stuff. On page, they more or less said that it was about all of the characters being together. The pre-DC coda issue specifically said that it did not matter where they went and what happened so long as they were together.I guess, but I thought they had a shot at making it work.
I would need to recheck. But, I think Scoop's "vanishing act" was more an issue of inking (obscuring him) than him not being there.Damned generous grade. Some of the art, especially the inking (I'm sure it's probably digital inking, but still) was atrocious, and then there's characters winking in and out of scenes panel to panel (Scoop) while nonsensical big things happen
If they use that kind of cheat, it has to be in part 12. No later. And, it would be a cheat given the "next issue, somebody dies" hype leading up to part 11.
BB took a hit from Shockwave while the latter was under the effects of time dilation, the ability to save him should be easy peasy.
Well, the former made no sense and was just doublespeak for "destroy everything ever!" while the latter didn't come to pass.Sparky Prime wrote:You're not looking at it from Shockwave's perspective. The only thing he's concerned with is ensuring the preservation of Cybertron and as he says in the previews for part 12, he believes he is transforming Cybertron into a paradise while he sees all life as having no value. Why would he care about going anywhere or conquering anything or any of that with that kind of cold logic?JediTricks wrote:"For Cybertron, it is logical." No, not even a little bit. What is the purpose of Cybertron in this state? What is the possibility of Cybertron being worth a damn overflowing with robots later when they're fueled by forever? Can't go anywhere, can't do anything, can't conquer, can't learn, can't nuthin'.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they pull some way to save him with everything that's going on.BB took a hit from Shockwave while the latter was under the effects of time dilation, the ability to save him should be easy peasy.
Ok, we're at the end and it didn't say anything.Dom wrote:Yup, and this is why I always say "wait until the end" to see how it shakes out. (And, yes, I admit to jumping the gun in this case and not giving Barber/Roberts a chance to finish what they were saying.
Chapter 12 specifically addresses the "Shockwave's plan is stupid" question. Shockwave is a hyper-logical nihilist. His goal is homeostasis. And, apparently, his plan will achieve that. (Yeah, it is entropy. But, Shockwave is okay with that. He does not want conquest. He, ironically, wants peace.
Says you.The real point of "More than Meets the Eye" was never about finding the Knights. In real terms, it was to have the characters in space and doing stuff. On page, they more or less said that it was about all of the characters being together.
I studied it carefully, the panel before he gets shot there's nowhere else he could be but in the right, and he ain't there.I would need to recheck. But, I think Scoop's "vanishing act" was more an issue of inking (obscuring him) than him not being there.
You know this shit is coming in the next year to 2 years. We all know it.If they use that kind of cheat, it has to be in part 12. No later. And, it would be a cheat given the "next issue, somebody dies" hype leading up to part 11.
Metalhawk's action wasn't even to kill, that was a side effect. In fact, I'm not entirely sure if Metalhawk's actions did anything towards his stated goal. But he was never alive here, he was a cheat, his character made no sense at all earlier and then was dishonest about breaking, it was terrible writing - how is Shockwave going to bring him on as a minion without knowing where his loyalty lies?Metalhawk: Dead again. Looking back on it, his first death was probably just meant to be set-up to get him pumped full of Shockwave's special sauce Energon, which let him die heroically in "Dark Cybertron". Along the way, Metalhawk managed to be the guy who took out all ~70,000,000,000 Ammonites. Yup, Metalhawk probably beats Luke Skywalker's tally from "A New Hope". Metalhawk is on a level with cosmic-level characters like the Monitor II (Anti-Monitor), the LIving Tribunal and Unicron. Yeah, I had to pad that list out with guys from other properties. But, it is a very exclusive club. Good work Metalhawk, you killing machine you.
Shit, I hadn't even noticed him in those 2 panels, but there he is, whole and intact. There's no way he's dead off-panel, he's the harbinger, he's the one who will spread news of the new Decepticons.Scoop: Probably dead. The last time he shows up, he is the only Autobot standing around when Galvatron is claiming leadership of the Decepticons. Blitzwing may have saved him. But, until we see something definitive, I am going to assume that Scoop is dead.
Unlikely based on the spoilers I just read about Bay4, the Bayening:Galvatron: Set up to be leading the Decepticons. This is likely a tie-in with the upcoming fourth Bayformers movie.
The Dead Universe should be gone now, everything that fueled it was used up.Shockwave: Dead. Remains presumably sucked in to the Dead Universe. (Gah, I still hate typing that phrase.) This might turn out to be less permanent than one might reasonably expect. But, I am hoping for the best (that he stays dead and gone).
How do you figure? When we last saw it, it was collapsing and about to crush our heroes, then they escaped through Contrvius PlotDevicisus, then the last of it got erased to make Shockwave's power happen. Unlike the regular universe, the DU was the fuel for Shockwave's ores combining, I thought, not for Cybertron.Dead Universe: Still there.
That's not true,Starscream: Dethroned.
Yeah, you always say shit like that.When/if BB and Shockwave come back, I might be given sufficient reason to bail on TF comics
This didn't feel true to Shockwave at all, in fact it was Shockwave's logic that I always felt gave him the potential to be a monster, not his mentor.Misc thought about {SPOILER - Mouse-over to read:}Shockwave: {SPOILER - Mouse-over to read:}Shockwave always had the potential to be a monster. He was consistently described as {SPOILER - Mouse-over to read:}being Jhiaxus' student, even when he was a relatively benign {SPOILER - Mouse-over to read:}Senator. While not overtly malicious, he did have some fanatical traits. And, I recall a line (I forget from where) about {SPOILER - Mouse-over to read:}"Jhiaxus' student continuing the experiments of his teacher", which referenced events before {SPOILER - Mouse-over to read:}what was shown in "Shadow Play".
This stuff is generally dealt with in follow-up issues. I expect that to be the case here.That was a total waste of time. Very little in the way of emotional repercussions for BB's death - hell, there were more proverbial tears shed for the villain.
No payoff for Cyclonus, no more story for Kup or anybody, hell even the Ammonites don't get to really explain themselves or anything, it all went to feed Megatron.
But at least there was a nonsensical ending running from a black hole that was eating the planet and then somehow didn't and magically the rest of the universe reappeared.
Shockwave's nihilism was a heavily bastardized egalitarian ideal mixed with him being purely logical.When did Shockwave become a nihilist? There's nothing logical about a nigh-eternal robot race being nihilistic. Homeostasis isn't logical either, and he made no arguments to present a counterpoint to that. His plan wasn't entropy really, entropy is about balance, and there was none here.
Says the last issue of "More than Meets the Eye" to come out pre-"Dark Cybertron".Says you.
Metalhawk's goal was the disrupt the ores. And, he did that.Metalhawk's action wasn't even to kill, that was a side effect. In fact, I'm not entirely sure if Metalhawk's actions did anything towards his stated goal.
Only been half paying attention to movie spoilers. I have to wonder ifUnlikely based on the spoilers I just read about Bay4, the Bayening:
I misread the scene where Starscream was surrounded by half a dozen angry guys.You are very presumptuous.
Wait and see. Scoop is hardly essential. No reason he would need to survive. And, the way Galvatron is talking in that scene does not bode well for anybody wearing an Autobot sigil (especially when they are the only Autobot in the general vicinity).Shit, I hadn't even noticed him in those 2 panels, but there he is, whole and intact. There's no way he's dead off-panel, he's the harbinger, he's the one who will spread news of the new Decepticons.
During "Shadowplay", Shockwave arguably had some fanatical tendencies. And, the fact he was Jhiaxus' student, and was stated to be continuing Jhiaxus' experiments is hardly an indicator of shining morality. (I forget where it was that it was mentioned that Shockwave was continuing Jhiaxus' work after the Ark left.) Pre-Shadow Play Shockwave was not necessarily a monster. But, the potential was there.This didn't feel true to Shockwave at all, in fact it was Shockwave's logic that I always felt gave him the potential to be a monster, not his mentor.
ANYTHING would have been good. They made him a plot point and then dropped him, they built up this turn, twist, whatever, and then just left it at the wayside.Dominic wrote:This stuff is generally dealt with in follow-up issues. I expect that to be the case here.
What sort of payoff were you expecting for Cyclonus.
Same fucking thing as above, he gets some story and then fades into the background of "characters following Optimus" without any payoff except "take this anti-vampire potion".Kup is likely to get more page time in upcoming issues. (Why are you assuming "no more story" for Kup?)
That doesn't explain why the Ammonites agreed to Shockwave's dumbfuck plan or why there's 70 billion of them and they all magically show up and do a thing - instant enemy army, just add water.That faction the Ammonites were fighting is likely to show up at some point. (Why would they not seek out Cybertron or the Lost Light?)
At least we can agree on something.Yeah, the black hole thing was kind of stupid.
You do realize that those are diametrically opposed things, universal nihilism and egalitarianism, right?Shockwave's nihilism was a heavily bastardized egalitarian ideal mixed with him being purely logical.When did Shockwave become a nihilist? There's nothing logical about a nigh-eternal robot race being nihilistic. Homeostasis isn't logical either, and he made no arguments to present a counterpoint to that. His plan wasn't entropy really, entropy is about balance, and there was none here.
That was the justification for why it didn't, not why it shouldn't or couldn't, and even that was debated on-page IIRC.Says the last issue of "More than Meets the Eye" to come out pre-"Dark Cybertron".Says you.
That'd fit well with TF Prime, and this movie does seem to be dumb as a stump, so yeah, likely.Only been half paying attention to movie spoilers. I have to wonder if.Spoiler
movie Galvatron is going to turn on the humans and eventually end up leading the Decepticons
I thought the Dead Universe was the fuel for destroying the other universe, that's why it contracted first. Also, FUCK YOU THE DEAD UNIVERSE FOR BEING A THING IN THE FIRST PLACE. Goddamned nonsense. So if they don't end up getting rid of the Dead Universe in this series, it'll really have been a total abortion of an event.The process that was destroying the Dead Universe (I still feel dirty typing that) was disrupted.Spoiler
The Dead Universe should be gone now, everything that fueled it was used up.
You didn't misread, you presumed how that scene would end.I misread the scene where Starscream was surrounded by half a dozen angry guys.You are very presumptuous.
He got shot to not-death in a big way, there was no reason to include him in the later scene unless he matters to it. Beating him to death won't accomplish anything when our heroes already saw him eat it earlier.Wait and see. Scoop is hardly essential. No reason he would need to survive. And, the way Galvatron is talking in that scene does not bode well for anybody wearing an Autobot sigil (especially when they are the only Autobot in the general vicinity).
The plan was to collapse the universe to a singularity to use as a power source for Cybertron. It wasn't doublespeak for "destroy everything ever", as long as you don't mind Cybertron being the only thing in existence. And in that regard, his plan did make sense. It would ensure Cybertron remained powered forever.JediTricks wrote:Well, the former made no sense and was just doublespeak for "destroy everything ever!"