David Willis writes about BW

"What? Transformers made from animals instead of vehicles and stuff? Doesn't sound so great, throw it to Kenner division, maybe they can make a quick buck or something."
Beast Wars, Machine Wars, Beast Machines... seeing a pattern? Coming soon: "Wars Wars"
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Onslaught Six wrote:An attempt to please everyone quickly becomes an effort that pleases no one.
The point it is not about trying to please everyone though, rather, it's about aiming the story for the majority audience.
No they didn't. Figgy Pop can't draw animals.
How can you say that? They looked pretty good to me.
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138 Scourge wrote:
Onslaught Six wrote:Eh. And therein lies the problem--the IDW BW books were made because IDW and/or Hasbro could make a quick buck, not because somebody actually had something interesting to do with the universe.
True that. And the thing is, if "The Gathering" and particularly "The Ascending" had been what the Beast Wars fans wanted, we'd have seen more BW series, Spotlights, and the like.
To be fair, "The Gathering" did do well enough for "the Ascending" to be greenlit.
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Onslaught Six wrote:An attempt to please everyone quickly becomes an effort that pleases no one.
The point it is not about trying to please everyone though, rather, it's about aiming the story for the majority audience.
Exactly.
No they didn't. Figgy Pop can't draw animals.
How can you say that? They looked pretty good to me.
That's what I thought. He did a pretty decent job all around with the artwork.
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Look at Polar Claw's fucking arms, dude. Look at his drawing of Torca! The man doesn't know how muscle is supposed to lay on bone. His legs look like frumpy piles of poop.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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Onslaught Six wrote:Look at Polar Claw's fucking arms, dude. Look at his drawing of Torca! The man doesn't know how muscle is supposed to lay on bone. His legs look like frumpy piles of poop.
It's hardly fair to cherry-pick. There are some mistakes here and there, but there are far more good drawings than poor ones.
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I disagree. (Especially since that's how he 'always' drew Torca. And Polar Claw's arms always sucked. And most of the muscular detail he ever did looked exactly like that.)
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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Actually, given the way elephant skin hangs, Torca's legs look about right. (I have no idea how whale skin would work.)

Given the general standards of anatomical accuracy in comics, Figueroa actually did pretty well. Truth be told, the art was the only thing I liked about "The Gathering".

Furman almost earned himself a spot on my "actively avoid" list though.


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-cannot really justify Furman not being there.....
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For the record, I liked Figueroa's beast art as well. But I'm a total whore for that guy, so. Though, I wasn't too keen on his Ravage redesign.

One main problem I thought of today that I had with the premise of 'The Gathering' wasn't just that the show characters didn't get to *do* anything, it was that they *couldn't*. Everything in the show was already predetermined by this point, so nothing drastic could happen to any of the show characters. It's like when the anime of your favorite manga lapses into filler: You know they've got to be back to the status quo by the time the next real story arc kicks in, so it's a foregone conclusion that nothing of consequence can happen to anyone or anything in the story. And that sucks all of the drama and tension out of any parts that even try. Like the one time in 'The Gathering' where the comic characters actually interacted with the show's cast: when Magmatron captured Megatron. The entire time you're reading this, you already *know* that Megs is going to escape and get back without any memories or effects of the encounter, since that would totally screw with the show's continuity otherwise. There's no unease or tension whatsoever. And it's like that the entire time you're reading: not only are the show characters standing around doing nothing, but in the back of your head you *know* that they're never going to do anything, because the entire premise of the book locks them out of the action. So it's like, why am I even reading this if I already know that the characters who made me love this series in the first place aren't going to be doing anything? I might as well just set a Beast Wars cast picture as my desktop background, then play BWII episodes in a media player in front of that. It's basically the same experience.

I dunno, did anyone here see Inglourious Basterds? Well, this movie goes to painstaking lengths to be as culturally and historically accurate a WWII film as possible. The level of detail and research they put into it is insane. Now, the film's plot revolves around a plan to assassinate Hitler. And though the plan seems to be coming together quite well, during the whole film, the audience is just waiting to see what happens to screw it all up, since Hitler was never assassinated, of course. And then, you know what does happen at the end of the movie?
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They kill Hitler.
It is by far the most wonderfully surprising, subversive moment in the whole movie, because it preys directly on the audiences preconceived notions that something this thorough and detailed absolutely *must* be accurate to the history it appears to be based on. And to me, that's how the BW comics should have rolled with the continuity. Start out seeming like you're dancing around the canon, making everything fit in nice and neat, and then BAM! Blow the whole thing wide open. Not only does it pretty much guarantee a more surprising, interesting story in the end, but when we look back at earlier issues, all the gratuitous continuity-following becomes interesting set-up to reread, rather than banal story regurgitation.

Anyway, I don't get why they decided that being slavishly accurate to the continuity that came before would be the best thing for a Beast Wars comic. It's not like Beast Wars did that with G1.
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BWprowl wrote:Anyway, I don't get why they decided that being slavishly accurate to the continuity that came before would be the best thing for a Beast Wars comic. It's not like Beast Wars did that with G1.
Beast Wars didn't take place while events were going on in G1 continuity is a key difference here. With the Transformers on the Ark in stasis lock, it allowed BW much more freedom in telling its own story with out having to worry that much about G1's continuity as long as they allowed for things to be as they should for when they woke up a couple million years later. The BW comics on the other hand actually takes place during events in Beast Wars cartoon, so it makes sense they'd have to pay closer attention to the continuity of the cartoon. Yes, that means already having seen the show, you already know how events of that storyline will turn out. But that's not the point of the comic's story, because they have their own story to tell. It isn't meant to be a new experience with the cartoon's characters. But even so, just because you might know how things turns out, doesn't mean you know how they get from point A to point B.
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Sparky Prime wrote: It isn't meant to be a new experience with the cartoon's characters.
Then *why* are those characters even *there*?
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BWprowl wrote:Then *why* are those characters even *there*?
For the *context* of the story.
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