Sparky Prime wrote:138 Scourge wrote:I...guess? I'm not an expert on the characters or anything, but I don't think I've ever seen a story where that's come up. I can kind of see it in the concept, but I've just never seen it in the stories. If you're inclined to go that route, though, there is the old "Strangers in a World They Never Made" thing they could use.
It came up in the second movie, Secret of the Ooze. When Donatello finds out their creation was an accident, he's disappointed about it.
Huh. Well, it's been a long ol' time since I've seen the second movie, so that totally slipped my mind. Still, since there's four of 'em, it doesn't seem to occur to writers to play the ol' "all alone/last of their species" card as often.
Ah, that one's easy, though. Go with the old "crashed spaceship". Or the "Planet blew up". Or go with the ALF combo version of "spaceship crashed while escaping planet blowing up". And that's just the obvious ones.
I don't see that makes much of a difference. Ok, their planet might be gone now, but that would still mean there was once somewhere they belonged and they become just another 'aliens stuck on Earth with no where else to go' story. [/quote] Sure, and that would definitely be less interesting and original than the "freaks of science" thing they have going now. I don't see why they'd go with it at all, but I don't think it necessarily has to affect the characters, is all.
I suppose the main thing I'm trying to say is that I'm seeing it like the difference between Spider-Man getting his powers from a radioactive spider or a genetically engineered one. Or Pete's webshooters being organic as opposed to things he built. You could make a good case for both of those being important elements to the character, and I don't necessarily like that the movie changed those things. But the end result is still pretty much the same Spider-Man.
Having the Turtles aliens instead of mutants is a bigger change than that is what I'm saying. A spider genetically altered or radioactive doesn't matter as much because either way it still mutates Peter's DNA to make him Spider-Man. That would be like changing the ooze that mutates the Turtles to a slightly different type of slime, but they are still mutant turtles. And the organic webshooters vs. mechanical... That doesn't change his origins at all. It just makes the webshooters part of his powerset rather than showcases Peter's intelligence to build them.[/quote] Yeah, it's definitely not as drastic a change as changing what planet the protagonists come from, but you could make a case that the wonky "radiation did it" explanation helps create a different mood for...well, the two panels that the science fair plays out in the original origin. The webs, though, I kind of think Peter inventing this super-powerful adhesive while he's in high school elevates him from "pretty smart kid" to "holy crap, comic-book super-genius". Again, it's a subtle kind of change, but Peter being a scientific genius is..if not the whole point of the character, it's certainly an important element. But of course, your mileage on that might vary.
And and I can't think of any allegory for the Turtles that would be similar.
One I can think of right off is in the Friday the 13th moves. In the 9th one, it's shown that Jason keeps coming back from the dead because his mother used black magic to give him demon powers. Yeah, I know. Then you get the 10th one, where they just ignore that and imply that he's a mutant with super-regenerative powers. Whichever orgin you go with, it's still a big dude in a hockey mask going after kids with a machete.
Or, to take a different tack, what would you think of a series where the Transformers originated on Earth? Sounds ridiculous at first, but if they still had the concept of robots disguising themselves as ordinary machines, and maybe had their own versions of Optimus, Megatron, et al, that could conceivably turn out to be a legit TF series.
We all do it tho'. 