The modern comics universe has had such a different take on G1, one that's significantly represented by the Generations toys, so they share a forum. A modern take on a Real Cybertronian Hero. Currently starring Generations toys, IDW "The Transformers" comics, MTMTE, TF vs GI Joe, and Windblade. Oh wait, and now Skybound, wheee!
Dominic wrote:The swarm and Cybertronian Empire from G2 were consistent with the general idea of G2, which was progress and growth.
Unicron in AEC was just "wow, look how kewl". And, even if Furman had to use Unicron, he did a bad job of it. (And, lets not forgot the 3H "Universe" comics.....)
Holy shit, I only just now realized, but as much as I like G2--it's doing exactly that! It's Furman trying to write some huge cosmic whoamg epix, once again, only now he can't logically use Unicron--in this case because Unicron was *dead.* So instead he comes up with a load of 'other' threats that seemingly only continue to become more and more overblown on each other. By the time The Swam shows up, Jhiaxus isn't much of a threat anymore, and once The Swarm is finished off, next we get Liege Maximo.
-but, he did write "Maximum Dinobots", which was good despite its name.
I know! The name alone, and Furman writing it, was exactly what made me not pick it up to begin with. It was only after you guys said it didn't suck that I bought the TPB.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
Onslaught Six wrote:Holy shit, I only just now realized, but as much as I like G2--it's doing exactly that! It's Furman trying to write some huge cosmic whoamg epix, once again, only now he can't logically use Unicron--in this case because Unicron was *dead.*
I don't get why you all think Furman is dying to use Unicron in every storyline. The only time he personally chose to use the character was in the G1 comic. Every other time, from AEC to the Universe comics was because Unicron was a part of the toyline's backstory, which was written by Hasbro. Furman himself has said he's burned out on Unicron.
As for the progressing threat level, surely that's a good idea? Keep upping the ante. Defeat one villain, but something worse is waiting, and then something worse after that. If done well, as in G2, that's a great way to maintain tension and present a challenge for the protagonists.
In G2, it's much more well done, though. Also, you're forgetting how he was ready to bring in Unicron stupidly in the DW G1 stuff, too. Plus, there was all the Unicronian crap going on in the Botcon comics, which was all his idea too.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
Onslaught Six wrote:In G2, it's much more well done, though. Also, you're forgetting how he was ready to bring in Unicron stupidly in the DW G1 stuff, too. Plus, there was all the Unicronian crap going on in the Botcon comics, which was all his idea too.
Furman wasn't writing the G1 comic for Dreamwave. He was writing Armada and Energon. You're going to have to blame Brad Mick for Unicron's inclusion in their G1 storyline.
When you're talking about the Botcon comics, would that be the short-lived Universe series? Which again, had Unicron included as part of the toyline's backstory? Meaning the character's inclusion was a Hasbro idea, not one by Furman.
I'm not sure Furman wrote the others, though it's possible. I haven't actually read any of them apart from the pre-Beast Wars Timelines issue. And I don't know to what extent Unicron played a part in the other comics. Wouldn't Glen Hallit have written most of those for 3H?
The only time I can really see that using Unicron in the comic was his idea was during the actual original Marvel Comics run, both in the US and the UK.
andersonh1 wrote:Furman wasn't writing the G1 comic for Dreamwave. He was writing Armada and Energon. You're going to have to blame Brad Mick for Unicron's inclusion in their G1 storyline.
If so, my bad. I was assuming Furman had written the DW ongoing as well.
When you're talking about the Botcon comics, would that be the short-lived Universe series? Which again, had Unicron included as part of the toyline's backstory? Meaning the character's inclusion was a Hasbro idea, not one by Furman.
I'm not sure Furman wrote the others, though it's possible. I haven't actually read any of them apart from the pre-Beast Wars Timelines issue. And I don't know to what extent Unicron played a part in the other comics. Wouldn't Glen Hallit have written most of those for 3H?
No, if I meant the Universe comics, I'd have said those--I mean the stuff that came from years before that. Omega Point and that crap. Almost all of that was Furman, and he's the one who decided crap like Shockaract was a herald of Unicron and G1 Prime and Megs and Polar Claw all need to timetravel to fight him again or some crap.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
Y'know, it seems to me that comics in general have been trying to one up each other in the "most powerful character" department for years. And I kind of have a problem with reading stories that have god level uber powerful nigh indestructible herald types. It seems like it started with Superman and everyone's been trying to one up it since. And it kind of seems like TF has been doing the same thing for a while. I can't help wondering if that's how we get things like Shockaract and Angolmois and the like. It's all reached a level where it's just stupid and now winds up inadvertantly parodying itself. I dunno, the cosmic epic is fun once in a while, but I'm sick of it being the status quo.
Onslaught Six wrote:No, if I meant the Universe comics, I'd have said those--I mean the stuff that came from years before that. Omega Point and that crap. Almost all of that was Furman, and he's the one who decided crap like Shockaract was a herald of Unicron and G1 Prime and Megs and Polar Claw all need to timetravel to fight him again or some crap.
For some reason I was associating the Universe comics with Botcon. My bad.
So we've got the G1 series and the Botcon comics where it was apparently Furman's idea to include Unicron, with the everything since being a Hasbro mandate. In the G1 comic, it was actually a good idea. In the Botcon comics, they were catering almost solely to the fanbase. And Unicron honestly hadn't worn thin at that point. It was only after we had him as the primary villain for three toylines that it began to be too much.
Dominic wrote:Mad scientist who conducts life-warping experiments....and followed his warlard master into a dark dimension of.....
What you're suggesting is deliberate plagiarism. Do you think either Furman or the IDW lawyers would allow that? I seriously doubt it. You might make a comparison between some aspects of both characters, but the similarity is very broad at best. And I suspect unintended.
Along those lines, it occurs to me that IDW Jhiaxus has been given essentially the same role that Shockwave played in the Dreamwave comic run. Both were dedicated/obsessed with seeing how far they could push the transformation process and "evolution" of the Transformers race. Neither were above experimenting on individuals to achieve their goals. The comparison is again broad, but no broader than the one you've listed above.
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