So, uh... Prime's canceled after 13 more episodes.

No noses? No problem! Zombiebots? Sure, why not. A confusing new canon that allows loose and contradictory material? And now a new sequel show with an entirely different art style that takes place way in the future!
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JediTricks wrote: NO SHIT! Throughout TFP our main hero has been a stick in the mud, a humorless curmudgeon miserably fighting this endless war - not as bad as the psychopathic live-action version, but still. I miss the odd moments of the G1 where Optimus would joke around and would do weird stuff or even come up short as a character because he wasn't trying to be perfect. They started to give Optimus a few little moments here and there, there was this odd reaction to something Raph said that showed some personality, it was humorless but it wasn't so dour, just kind of alien - didn't understand why Raph wanted to do something frivolous and just said no to it in a different way, something along those lines, I don't remember exactly, but it was personality for once. More personality for our heroes please, especially if they're gonna bother hiring the best actor to voice him!
Ah, the scene you're talking about was when the kids were showing Ratchet a funny cat video on the internet. Ratchet laughed, and Jack (I think it was) asked Optimus if he wanted to see something funny. Optimus plainly responded, "No," and went back to what he was working on.

But yeah. Optimus is in serious need of some life. I don't find him boring. I like his persona, his dialogue, his voice. He's a cool cat. My problem with him, is that this is the only side of him we ever see. He never, NEVER relaxes or enjoys life. Some people have told me that's the point of his whole character, and I could maybe buy that, except that they don't do anything with it. I was comparing Prime to Splinter from the new TMNT, and as an example- I can see where Splinter's personal story arc is going. His whole story is about how he lost everything that was dear to him, including his daughter. And suddenly his greatest enemy shows up in town with his own evil daughter. And I know that Karai (Shredder's daughter) has never been Splinter's daughter in other versions, but I can totally see it turning out that way this time, because it would bring about some serious payoff with Splinter's whole character arc. It'd be awesome!

With Optimus though- I can't really tell you what his character arc is. His whole life has been reduced to "Fight Decepticons. Protect life. Save the universe." What drives this guy? What's his purpose? His personal goals? We already know his faults- that he's 150% serious and on duty all the time. So maybe his character arc is about finally learning to enjoy life again? Except that nothing's been done to hint that he's moving in that direction. The Orion Pax 3-parter was a great chance to show us what a youthful Optimus was like prior to being weighed down by millenia of horrors and the mantle of leadership and having the Autobots teeter on the brink of extinction all the time. But all we learned from Orion, is that he's exactly the same, just a bit more naive. Like, C'MON!!! Ratchet says Optimus used to be like Jack, right? Well even Jack knows how to have fun once in a while and show off for the girls and *LAUGH!*

I liked the little bit where Optimus joked about bringing Raf back a snowball. I liked the little bit where he was uncomfortable and fidgeting in Wheeljack's ship. The moment he thought he and Arcee were going to freeze to death was touching. Flipping out when Starscream made off with all the Omega keys. And even the bit about not wanting to see something funny. We need more moments like that. Optimus Prime is a person, not an automaton. And even if his feelings and emotions are held in check, he still has them.

I really do like this Optimus Prime. I do think he's an interesting guy. But he's also a very flat personality. He's being written like an icon, not so much a character.
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We already know his faults- that he's 150% serious and on duty all the time. So maybe his character arc is about finally learning to enjoy life again?
That's definitely where IDW is going. And I'll be damned if I'm not really interested in it, which is hilarious because one of the biggest traits of the two new books for the past year has basically been, "They don't have Optimus Prime and Megatron in them!" (That was a 'selling point' for a friend of mine.)
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Sparky Prime wrote:Ah. I'm not sure halving the season will really have that big of an impact on the story. I mean, it seemed to me that so much of the first 2 seasons dragged out the storyline or had a lot of filler.
Well, pacing can be very important to a story, especially with all this one has to do.
- Introduce the beast faction and hunt them
- Save Optimus from the base's destruction
- Deal with the surge in power of the Decepticons
- Cope with the destruction of Cybertron (and possibly revive it)
- Figure out a way to wrap up the Autobots vs Decepticons storyline in a convincing manner
- Wrap the Autobots vs Beasts storyline as well

That's a lot of ground to cover.

Mako Crab wrote:Ah, the scene you're talking about was when the kids were showing Ratchet a funny cat video on the internet. Ratchet laughed, and Jack (I think it was) asked Optimus if he wanted to see something funny. Optimus plainly responded, "No," and went back to what he was working on.
Ha! Yeah, that is the scene, thanks. Optimus responded almost quizzically "no", so matter-of-fact that it seemed alien to me, and felt more like a character moment than most longwinded speeches.
But yeah. Optimus is in serious need of some life. I don't find him boring. I like his persona, his dialogue, his voice. He's a cool cat. My problem with him, is that this is the only side of him we ever see. He never, NEVER relaxes or enjoys life. Some people have told me that's the point of his whole character, and I could maybe buy that, except that they don't do anything with it. I was comparing Prime to Splinter from the new TMNT, and as an example- I can see where Splinter's personal story arc is going. His whole story is about how he lost everything that was dear to him, including his daughter. And suddenly his greatest enemy shows up in town with his own evil daughter. And I know that Karai (Shredder's daughter) has never been Splinter's daughter in other versions, but I can totally see it turning out that way this time, because it would bring about some serious payoff with Splinter's whole character arc. It'd be awesome!

With Optimus though- I can't really tell you what his character arc is. His whole life has been reduced to "Fight Decepticons. Protect life. Save the universe." What drives this guy? What's his purpose? His personal goals? We already know his faults- that he's 150% serious and on duty all the time. So maybe his character arc is about finally learning to enjoy life again? Except that nothing's been done to hint that he's moving in that direction. The Orion Pax 3-parter was a great chance to show us what a youthful Optimus was like prior to being weighed down by millenia of horrors and the mantle of leadership and having the Autobots teeter on the brink of extinction all the time. But all we learned from Orion, is that he's exactly the same, just a bit more naive. Like, C'MON!!! Ratchet says Optimus used to be like Jack, right? Well even Jack knows how to have fun once in a while and show off for the girls and *LAUGH!*

I liked the little bit where Optimus joked about bringing Raf back a snowball. I liked the little bit where he was uncomfortable and fidgeting in Wheeljack's ship. The moment he thought he and Arcee were going to freeze to death was touching. Flipping out when Starscream made off with all the Omega keys. And even the bit about not wanting to see something funny. We need more moments like that. Optimus Prime is a person, not an automaton. And even if his feelings and emotions are held in check, he still has them.

I really do like this Optimus Prime. I do think he's an interesting guy. But he's also a very flat personality. He's being written like an icon, not so much a character.
I miss Optimus who would play basketball, man! :cry: Optimus used to be a more rounded character, he was more able to jest with the guys and take some time off, take risks, make mistakes. The guy has been fighting a war for millennia, he's got to be used to failure by now, yet this version never lets up on him the whole time.
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Prime is officially ending after this 13-episode season:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/01/ ... h-season-3

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Prime is! Energon Hunters might still be a thing.
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Onslaught Six wrote:Prime is! Energon Hunters might still be a thing.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night. Prime, the story, is cancelled.
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It might be. We dunno yet. The next thing could be a sequel, or be set in the same universe.

Did people do this kind of thing when Armada was over?
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Onslaught Six wrote:Did people do this kind of thing when Armada was over?
If they did, it might have been a wishful thinking sort of thing, people being so disenchanted with Armada that they hoped the next thing would just completely start over.

Which is kind of the impression I'm getting regarding this whole "Prime is over forever" thing. I certainly wouldn't be crying if the whole line was shut down and replaced by Hasbro's next new thing, even if I wouldn't mind seeing Beast Hunters (or the Predacons, at least) go on a little longer.
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I'm exicited about there being only 13 episodes in season 3. Because i'm hoping the entire season 3 is action packed from start to finish. I'm just not a fan of the excess down time/leisure episodes.

I'm honestly hoping that TFP/BH season 3 follows in the foot steps of BM season 2. with all the action & fighting kicked up to the super levels. I need to see robots ripping each other apart not sitting in chairs relaxing.

I wonder if the TFP/BH season 3 final episodes fights/ending will top the awesomeness that Animated & cybertron cartoon series had.
I'M GONNA SPECULATE THE ENDING OF TFP/BH will be pure awesome. As this TFP series has delievered epic battles dozens of times already.
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Onslaught Six wrote:It might be. We dunno yet. The next thing could be a sequel, or be set in the same universe.
Well, except that the print article said otherwise, and there'd be no reason to take 18 months to develop a new series when all the digital tools for Prime already exist and can be exploited in a matter of weeks since they own the network.
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Onslaught Six wrote:Did people do this kind of thing when Armada was over?
If they did, it might have been a wishful thinking sort of thing, people being so disenchanted with Armada that they hoped the next thing would just completely start over.
Ha, too true!
Which is kind of the impression I'm getting regarding this whole "Prime is over forever" thing. I certainly wouldn't be crying if the whole line was shut down and replaced by Hasbro's next new thing, even if I wouldn't mind seeing Beast Hunters (or the Predacons, at least) go on a little longer.
Nah, different scenario, this is already Cybertron at this point (3rd season and all) and by then the fans had started to gel even tho Energon and Cybertron sucked too. This is already the 2nd-longest-running Transformers series ever after G1, currently tied with Beast Wars and will overtake that the minute Beast Hunters starts.
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