TF Prime episodes

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138 Scourge wrote:Oh yeah, one thing I forgot when talking about the couple episodes I watched lately. I would like Bumblebee to either get upgraded so he can talk, or to be killed off. Seriously, that knockoff R2-D2 bullshit is about on my last nerve.

EDIT: Plus, what do you even need him for? I can't think of a thing you'd need 'Bee for in the stories that you couldn't do with one of the other four.
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Just watched 'Con Job'. It was a (surprisingly) all-around good episode, with no major problems that immediately jump out at me. Sad to see Makeshift go already, he was an interesting concept, though admittedly one that would become less interesting with repeated use. Miko and Bulkhead's relationship is approaching Jack/Arcee levels of squickiness, but it's not quite there yet.

Why did they design him like and name him Wheeljack when he was very clearly supposed to be Drift?

Seriously though, between this episode and the last one, maybe TF Prime's actually getting better? I'm actually kind of interested in the next episode, I love human adversaries in TF.
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I thought 'Con Job' was a decent episode, not quite as good as 'Scrapheap', but still better than other episodes have been so far.

I'm disappointed that, once again, the new Decepticon character gets (seemingly) killed off in the same episode he premiers in. Why is it that Starscream and Soundwave are the only two named Decepticons that apparently get to live in this series? They've already got an army of cannon fodder... Also like the Skyquake episode, Wheeljack's robot mode clearly already has kibble for an Earth alt-mode, while the dialog points out he hasn't scanned a local form yet. I can understand saving time/money by not animating more models for characters than they have to, but then they shouldn't be calling it to attention in the dialog like that.

And I also thought Wheeljack seemed like he was supposed to be Drift with how they characterized him, and his weapons of choice.
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As far as episodes revolving around an impersonator go, this was good. I was glad that they didn't bother trying to hide the fact that Makeshift had infiltrated the base as Wheeljack, and I also liked how he dodged around the old war stories. I also liked that under more scrutiny, his disguise didn't hold up.
I thought it was so funny in G1 that no one bothered asking the clone Prime some basic questions. Being controlled by Megatron, he couldn't even get the names of his troops right. Would've been real easy to see who the impostor was.
I also like that they didn't bother with the whole, "who's who??" during the showdown between the two Jacks. The fact that Wheeljack showed mercy distinguished him as an Autobot, whereas earlier in the episode the impostor shot an already defeated Eradicon. I'm sure both the real Wheeljack and Bulkhead have killed countless 'cons with little remorse, as evidenced by Bulkhead's comment that, "you missed one," and subsequent lack of reaction when the impostor fired a casual, killing shot. However, I'm thinking of it in terms of portrayal to the audience. Wheeljack was shown to be capable of granting mercy.

Starscream and Soundwave were great and I even got a chuckle out of the dancing. Overall, good episode.
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Shockwave wrote:
138 Scourge wrote:Oh yeah, one thing I forgot when talking about the couple episodes I watched lately. I would like Bumblebee to either get upgraded so he can talk, or to be killed off. Seriously, that knockoff R2-D2 bullshit is about on my last nerve.

EDIT: Plus, what do you even need him for? I can't think of a thing you'd need 'Bee for in the stories that you couldn't do with one of the other four.
Cannon fodder.

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Yeah, but you didn't say it about a good Bumblebee. Even Movie 'Bee manages to be somehow cooler than this guy.
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Optimus Prime get a trailer on the "Convoy" episode and the first thing I think of is maybe a proper trailer toy could come out of this but something tells me this trailer is a one episode deal.
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In this latest episode, things heat up as a group of mysterious men tries to get their hands on Fowler's dingus! The G-man enlists the Autobots to protect his package, but then Starscream decides he wants a piece of the action! Can Fowler keep the villains from touching his junk, or will the bad guys get ahold of the government's private parts?

Seriously though, this episode was a return to problematic form for TF Prime. The plot just relied far too much on convenience. Silas's guys only come at the Autobots on the road in ways they can easily deal with, Prime just happens to fall off a cliff and get knocked out at the crucial moment, etc. There weren't even any other cars on the road, which really stretched things for me. Things really nosedive in the second half when the kids shoehorn themselves in. Ratchet tries to keep them out by saying that sending them to the the train would be impossible, but then Raf gets around it by locking onto the coordinates of a moving train.

...Let's just ignore that a moving train can't have coordinates. Because it is *moving*. Raf's magic laptop doesn't stop there, as he seconds later is able to hack train tracks. Because...why the fuck not? It doesn't work out though, because some dude in a chopper is apparently an even more God-level hacker than Raf, as he shuts the kid down with a few keystrokes. And then Silas shows that he apparently reads Gigatron's playbook, and orders a full retreat simply because he saw Optimus Prime. But not before deciding that the best way to get rid of the device is not by just blowing up the train with his rocket launcher, but by blasting out the tracks several miles ahead of it. Christ, what a tool.

Why the hell did Miko and Jack even have to go? Raf was able to do the track-switchy thing from the comfort of his super-notebook, and the other two would've just gotten shot had the MECH guys actually entered the car. And Prime still would've had to save the train at the end, even if Jack and Miko hadn't been in there! So what the hell did they go there for? Jesus, at least this episode taught me better than to actually get interested in/excited for a TF Prime episode.

I did find it amusing that the Autobots' definition of "Minimal force, disarm only" equated to "blow up their cars and sideswipe them off of mountains". Stay classy guys.
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BWprowl wrote:The G-man enlists the Autobots to protect his package
I can ensure you, I have *never* trusted the nutters who pass for Autobots in Prime with that responsibility.
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Just finished watching this episode for the 2nd time. Before I get into anything else, I just have to say that this is the most visually striking cartoon on TV today. In addition to the character animation, which surpasses even Lucasfilm's high-end Clone Wars show IMO, the backgrounds are vibrant and jaw-droppingly gorgeous. Each shot looks like a postcard. I love all the added details like the old, beat up pickup that was holding up traffic. Any random truck could've been put in there, but they created something new and memorable. In a cel-animated show it wouldn't stand out to me as much, but in a CGI show where everything costs a bunch to render, I was pleased to see so many new models make it into this episode. I loved the train too. And when one of Mech's cars flipped, I noticed that the undercarriage was modeled too; something you almost never see.

With Star Wars: The Clone Wars, I do think it has some of the most impressive backgrounds around, but perhaps in this case Transformers wins me over because I can related to its native landscapes. The desert roads, snowy tundras, and mountain passes ground this fantasy show in reality in a way that the alien landscapes of Clone Wars don't.

Okay enough about the animation. The story was pretty sharp, with a couple hiccups. The Decepticons played a largely insignificant role in this one, with their appearance seeming more for the benefit of Silas. Part of his role in this episode was to become aware of the robotic aliens among them, so as to become a more worthy opponent later on. His presentation was handled well. He's a different kind of villain than Megatron, and I like that he doesn't bash on his troops when things go wrong. He even shows a modicum of concern when he tells Fowler that he hopes he treats his cargo better than his Mech prisoner.
Oh! And I do love that one of the regular Eradicon drones got in a solid hit against Prime. With a tree! I did not see that coming. I always worry about villain degradation in these kinds of shows, and especially where canon fodder is concerned, it's important to show that they're not completely inept. Of course, none of the other Eradicons score so much as a single hit, which makes the tree trunk hit all the more important. Thought it was funny when the one Eradicon covered his head after his buddy got smoked though. Hehe.

The hiccups: Warping Jack and Miko into the train. What exactly did that accomplish? The Autobots were already aware that there were soldiers aboard the train (well, 1 soldier) guarding the DINGUS. I don't think they knew that the soldier had been knocked out. If they were, they didn't mention it. So warping the kids into the train seemed unnecessary. Plus, their presence there was soon proven to be unneeded anyway. Although, I will give them points for having a somewhat dramatic moment there when Jack and Miko thought they were about to die.

The Decepticons- again, pointless to have them here except to remind us that they're not just sitting on their duffs like the IDW 'cons under Starscream's rule. Also important towards Silas' development, but otherwise put in a weak showing. Their lack of importance in this episode is made all the more apparent by the fact that Starscream's reaction to their failure was never touched on. After the 'cons are taken care of, we never hear a peep about them for the rest of the ep. I understand though- this ep was all about MECH, not the 'cons. I'm willing to let it slide.

I DO like Silas' and MECHs' reaction to the Autobots and Decepticons in this episode. I like that he wasn't the type of villain where everything went right for him or everything wasn't foreseen. I liked it when Raf hacked the train and gave it a new course, throwing the helicopter off. I liked seeing Silas getting thrown about in his helicopter a bit. I hate those kinds of villains where everything goes to plan for them, like they planned for every eventual outcome and their hair never gets mussed. Those kinds of villains are absolutely boring to me. Like Jigsaw from the Saw movies. So lame.

Overall: A solid episode with a good new villain. :D
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I'm just glad Silas never got his hands on Fowler's dingus. There's a sentence I never though I would say, thank you TF Prime.
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