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Tigermegatron wrote:I don't think luke would have a wife nor kids because according to the Jedi ways he puts himself at a dis-advantage. because the bad guys can get to him by killing his family.
The Jedi way is to let go of all personal attachments in order to devote themselves entirely to the Jedi. That's why Anakin had to keep his relationship with Padme a secret from the Jedi Order. It's not so much to prevent a bad guy from going after their family. And Luke would be starting a new Jedi Order, so if he felt it was warranted, he could change and update the old ways to be more fitting to the new Jedi Order.
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Tigermegatron wrote:Luke is in constant contact with the spirits of Obi-one,Yoda & Other spirits,I'm sure these spirits team luke the past & all the Jedi rules.

I suspect luke's role in Episode VII will be that of a teacher to young jedi students. Luke will probably want to live by example by teaching the young Jedi the proper old school Jedi teachings.

I don't think luke would have a wife nor kids because according to the Jedi ways he puts himself at a dis-advantage. because the bad guys can get to him by killing his family.
Well, we don't know if the Force spirits stay around forever. Also, Obi-Wan and Yoda made changes, it's too late to go back to "the old ways" now that the new ones have worked out.

Luke already has a wife and kid. Or rather, "had a wife", stupid writers. Whether the movies will keep that is unknown.
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JediTricks wrote:]Well, we don't know if the Force spirits stay around forever.
The Jedi spirits can be called upon at will if the Jedi is taught how. Near the end of the Star Wars Episode one movie,Yoda tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that he will teach him how to contact the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn,So that he can continue his Jedi training. So clearly Jedi who are taught to contact spirits can contact them & speak to them any time they wish. Yoda Clearly also taught this contacting sprit method to Luke in Episode V,as luke was able to speak & see spirits like Obi-Wan Kenobi,Yoda & his father in Episode V & Near the end of Episode VI.
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I think what JediTricks was getting at is that in the Star Wars novels, they establish that becoming a Force Ghost is limited. After so much time, they have move onto the afterlife and can no longer communicate with the living at that point. Of course, we don't know if the upcoming movies will follow that, but it's possible.
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I would be surprised if the writers of the new movie strictly adhere to what's been set up by the books and comics and any other spin-off media. I would expect them to lift any ideas they think are good and ignore the rest. They aren't going to want to be limited in what they can do and where they can go with the story and characters. I think it would be similiar to the way that Star Trek on television leads, and the spin-off media follow with a few ideas from spin-offs creeping into the main series.
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Tigermegatron wrote:
JediTricks wrote:]Well, we don't know if the Force spirits stay around forever.
The Jedi spirits can be called upon at will if the Jedi is taught how. Near the end of the Star Wars Episode one movie,Yoda tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that he will teach him how to contact the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn,So that he can continue his Jedi training. So clearly Jedi who are taught to contact spirits can contact them & speak to them any time they wish. Yoda Clearly also taught this contacting sprit method to Luke in Episode V,as luke was able to speak & see spirits like Obi-Wan Kenobi,Yoda & his father in Episode V & Near the end of Episode VI.
Yoda didn't teach him that, Obi Wan did otherwise he wouldn't have been able to see Obi Wan on Hoth tell him to go to Yoda in the first place.
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Obi-Wan didn't teach Luke about it either, otherwise he wouldn't be so shaken up about Obi-Wan dying on the Death Star. He'd just be like, "Oh, no, it's cool, he'll just be a ghost, I can talk to him whenever."

When Yoda takes Obi-Wan back to see Ghost Qui-Gon, it's to show Obi-Wan that becoming a Force Ghost is possible, and to show him how to do it--not to show him that you can summon up the ghosts of your dead friends whenever you want to.
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Fair enough but he definitely didn't learn it from Yoda if Obi-Wan was on Hoth telling him about Yoda in the first place.
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Tigermegatron wrote:The Jedi spirits can be called upon at will if the Jedi is taught how. Near the end of the Star Wars Episode one movie,Yoda tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that he will teach him how to contact the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn,So that he can continue his Jedi training. So clearly Jedi who are taught to contact spirits can contact them & speak to them any time they wish. Yoda Clearly also taught this contacting sprit method to Luke in Episode V,as luke was able to speak & see spirits like Obi-Wan Kenobi,Yoda & his father in Episode V & Near the end of Episode VI.
That was Episode Three, not One, and it didn't say that Obi-Wan was continuing his Jedi training, he said that Qui-Gon would teach them how to retain their selves upon becoming one with the Force, aka how to turn into Force Spirits. But that doesn't suggest they can remain Force Spirits forever.
andersonh1 wrote:I would be surprised if the writers of the new movie strictly adhere to what's been set up by the books and comics and any other spin-off media. I would expect them to lift any ideas they think are good and ignore the rest. They aren't going to want to be limited in what they can do and where they can go with the story and characters. I think it would be similiar to the way that Star Trek on television leads, and the spin-off media follow with a few ideas from spin-offs creeping into the main series.
Since Lucas wrote the framework for these new films, they'll stick to his original ideas, but he never stated publicly whether the Force Spirits were a permanent manifestation or whether they'd eventually fade out. As Sparky said, the novels say that it becomes tougher and tougher the longer they're dead to remain individual Force Spirits so eventually they dissipate into the greater Force and stop being the ghosts we know, but we'll see how Disney handles this - they have Lucas' framework but they also have free reign to do as they please.
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Tigermegatron wrote:The Jedi spirits can be called upon at will if the Jedi is taught how. Near the end of the Star Wars Episode one movie,Yoda tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that he will teach him how to contact the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn,So that he can continue his Jedi training. So clearly Jedi who are taught to contact spirits can contact them & speak to them any time they wish. Yoda Clearly also taught this contacting sprit method to Luke in Episode V,as luke was able to speak & see spirits like Obi-Wan Kenobi,Yoda & his father in Episode V & Near the end of Episode VI.
Yoda didn't teach him that, Obi Wan did otherwise he wouldn't have been able to see Obi Wan on Hoth tell him to go to Yoda in the first place.
Ha! Good catch, I totally missed that part of the comment, you are right on the money.
Onslaught Six wrote:Obi-Wan didn't teach Luke about it either, otherwise he wouldn't be so shaken up about Obi-Wan dying on the Death Star. He'd just be like, "Oh, no, it's cool, he'll just be a ghost, I can talk to him whenever."

When Yoda takes Obi-Wan back to see Ghost Qui-Gon, it's to show Obi-Wan that becoming a Force Ghost is possible, and to show him how to do it--not to show him that you can summon up the ghosts of your dead friends whenever you want to.
We need an icon of a guy tapping his finger on his nose to say this comment is "on the nose".

It's clearly not a learned trait to see a Force Spirit, the learned trait is how to BECOME a Force Spirit.
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I only saw SW Episode one ONCE,SW Episode two ONCE,SW Episode Three ONCE. I thought these SW Pre-quel trio movies were awful & I can't stomach watching more than one time nor watching them several/dozens times like most On-line TF fans do. Clearly my SW Pre-quel movie memory will be more fuzzy than TF fans who watch these SW Pre-quel trio movies dozens/hundreds/daily times.
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