Debate,TF universe that had the strongest bots & destruction

[Tigermegatron]

Debate!!! Which Transformers alternate Universe/reality,had the
warriors with the highest power levels & which was the most epic as
far as destruction & Choas is concerned.

The Transformers alternate/reality universe contenders are as follows:

Generation one cartoon series universe,which consist of the USA 4
seasons,then the various japanese exclusive G-1 cartoons like
headmasters,masterforce,victory,zone,battle stars,operation
combination. beastwars,beastwars 2nd,beastwars neo & beastmachines.

Generation one marvel TF comics universe. which consist of G-1 & G-2

Generation one DW TF comic

Generation one IDW TF comic

TFCR/RID cartoon universe

Armada,energon,Cybertron cartoon universe.

Animated cartoon universe

Micheal bay live action TF movie verse.

Here's my 2 cents on this thread.
I think the G-1 cartoon universe clearly wins,With the AEC cartoon
universe coming in at a close second.

WHY Does The G-1 cartoon universe win? Because the transformers kept
getting stronger,bigger & more power as the various different series
progressed. the "master" technology made the transformers extremly
powerful. in battle stars/return of convoy Starconvoy was bigger than
a gestalt & had a rare but powerful enew energy inside him that made
him invinceable. super megatron was the strongest decepticon warrior
ever created. the destruction & Choas in the G-1 cartoon universe
spanned from unicron destroying everything in the movie. to planet
cybertron getting destroyed in the headmasters cartoon series. to
earth nearly getting destroyed in master force. battle stars/return of
convoy was the final show down battle where both convoy & megatron
were rebuilt & empowered by new energy & made invincable. flash
forward 500 years & we get beastwars,where the predacons try to re-
write history thanks to G-1 megatron's golden disk. beastwars 2nd
takes place around the year 2500 where the maximals & predacons battle
it out on almost dead planet called Gaeia which is later revealed to
be the earth. beastwars neo was all about trying to capture unicrons
energy into capsules & revive unicron. unicron in BWneo almost came
back to life & destroyed cybertron. beastmachines show megatron
creating a virus & wiping out the life forms on cybertron. BM shows
megatron & primal fighting it out to restore cybertron. the end of BM
showed cybertron refotmated into a techno-organic planet.

Here's how I rate the other Transformers universes:

AEC,Armada,energon & Cybertron rates second because as follows: the
minicons in armada were powerful batteries that powered up the
transformers & un-locked secret weapons. unicron was in armada &
caused choas & destruction. Energon also had unicron which was used to
either create or destroy stuff. energon had warriors from armada that
upgraded into newer powerful forms like liking up or just getting
powerful new bodies.cybertron showed the warriors with the highest
power levels,strenght & size. the power was in the cyber keys &
absorbing the power from unicron & primus. the choas.destruction &
pressure to complete the mission before the unicron black hole sucked
everything up & destroyed it was at all time powerful levels.

Rid & Animated weren't as epic & the warriors power levels weren't
that high compared to other transformers universes. no unicron,no
primus. nothing big got destroyed. the earth & cybertron received very
little battle inflicted damage. the warriors just weren't that
powerful compared to other transformers universes.
at best these transformers were of average strenght. the battles while
epic just couldn't compare to the epicness of the other transformers
universes

Micheal bay live action movie verse: Dare I say this universe has the
WEAKEST warriors,with the WEAKEST last stand final battle fights.
their is nothin epic in these battles. the warriors & few & rather
tiny in size compared to the transformers warriors in other
transfomers universes. dare I also say these transformers are the most
amateur & un-skilled of all the transformers universes out their.

AS FAR AS COMICS TF UNIVERSES GOES: nothing will ever beat marvel as
far as having the most epic battles & final epic show down battles.
the warriors in marvel were greater in number & extremly powerful. DW
is perhaps the weakest TF comic universe. while IDW appears to take
second place thanks to strong warriors introduced in the comics like
Overlord,Galvatron,cyclonus & scourge. a lot more epic,more powerful
battles happened in IDW than DW.

[Dominic]

Truth be told, I kind of like the (comparitively understated) scale of the Bayformers.

And, while I am not a fan of them, the FanClub and BotCon comics have a faux epic scale that is hard to beat.


Dom
-never said they were good....

[Tigermegatron]

Truth be told, I kind of like the (comparitively understated) scale of the Bayformers.

And, while I am not a fan of them, the FanClub and BotCon comics have a faux epic scale that is hard to beat.


Dom
-never said they were good....

The bayformers were small & few in number. they caused the least destruction/chaos.

I don't count fanclub & botcon comics because their not being written by OFFICIAL people. at best their be written by amatuer fans.

[Sparky Prime]

I don't count fanclub & botcon comics because their not being written by OFFICIAL people. at best their be written by amatuer fans.

Actually some of the Botcon comics were written by professional writers. Simon Furman has written several of those comics, and Bob Foward wrote the Wreckers backup story "Primeval Dawn part 1" (and the subsequent parts taken over by Furman).

To the topic at hand...

There is something to be said for the movie Transformers. They had to destroy suns in order to recharge the Allspark, and who knows how many solar systems they may have destroyed before the Primes put a stop to The Fallen on Earth. I wouldn't call them the weakest of warriors either, especially considering it takes something like sabot rounds just to hurt them, where as much more common human weapons are able to harm them in other continuities. Plus as far as we know, the Transformers are pretty much doomed to extinction because they destroyed the Allspark. That's a pretty epic move just to keep something out of enemy hands.

The G1 universe certainly has some epic destruction and chaos as well. They did destroy a few planets in that series, and nearly Earth's sun at one point.

A/E/C manged quite a bit of destruction as well, with some of the Transformers (besides Unicron and Primus) becoming planet sized battling it out, destroying planets, and black holes threatening the universe...

[Onslaught Six]

I don't count fanclub & botcon comics because their not being written by OFFICIAL people. at best their be written by amatuer fans.

Actually some of the Botcon comics were written by professional writers. Simon Furman has written several of those comics, and Bob Foward wrote the Wreckers backup story "Primeval Dawn part 1" (and the subsequent parts taken over by Furman).

...Yeah, the old cruddy stuff. I think Dom meant the new cruddy stuff.

where as much more common human weapons are able to harm them in other continuities

No they can't. The closest I can think of is stuff like Circuit Breaker (who had superpowers) or other Marvel-era similar characters (like the Robot Master) and the recent IDW stuff (and there's been a lot of debate as to whether or not Spike should be able to kill Scrapper that easily). In fact, this was my biggest problem with both TF films: Humans killing Transformers. No, they shouldn't be able to do that.

[Dominic]

Why should humans not be able to kill TFs? I never understood the "robots have to be invincible except when fighting other robots" logic.

And, as bad as the FanClub and BotCon comics are, (and they are generally shit), they are official. You cannot say they are not official just because you have to jump through some hoops to get them. Similarly, as bad as the comics are, I am not going to say that the people behind them are not professionals when they are producing material for a source that is as official as any other license holder, even if the quality of the work is sub-standard.


Dom
-hates to defend them...but.

[Gomess]

dare I also say [Michael Bay's] transformers are the most
amateur & un-skilled of all the transformers universes out their.

Moreso than those in the G1 cartoon? Seriously?

"I'm stupid, I'm stupid!" -G1 Starscream

*Lie down in the middle of a clearing and hope lasers don't hit* -Any G1 Autobot

As far as I remember, the Bayformers were almost defined by their ridiculous acrobatic talents. Objectively speaking, they're "better fighters", if only because they're fighting in a medium where they're ALLOWED to kill each other. Comparing the perceived "power levels" of G1 and the movies is like comparing the "power levels" of Hokuto no Ken and Friendship is Magic. Gotta take the restrictions of the medium into account, and use a little imagination...

EDIT: And yeah, the TFCC comics are official. If the Battlestars 'story' (Comic Bonbon advertising) is official, then so are the club comics. Gotta be fair.

[Sparky Prime]

...Yeah, the old cruddy stuff. I think Dom meant the new cruddy stuff.

2004 is 'old'?

No they can't. The closest I can think of is stuff like Circuit Breaker (who had superpowers) or other Marvel-era similar characters (like the Robot Master) and the recent IDW stuff (and there's been a lot of debate as to whether or not Spike should be able to kill Scrapper that easily). In fact, this was my biggest problem with both TF films: Humans killing Transformers. No, they shouldn't be able to do that.

It's been shown they can. Bumblebee got blown up by G.I. Joes using standard military weapons during the Marvel days. In the DW comics we saw the Autobots dodging tank fire, indicating they could be hurt by them, and if it wasn't for the metal virus thing, they probably would have been killed by the nuke the humans dropped on them. I see no problem with humans being able to kill TF's, as long as they've got the support/firepower to do it.

The debate over Spike killing Scrapper is more because Spike fought him with out the aid of anything but some homemade acid and Scrappers own gun.

[Dominic]

What hell was in that acid? I mean, I like the new comics and understood the point of the fight, (Spike being a skilled warrior, though unprofessional soldier), but damn. That stuff was the chemical analogue to sea-snake venom. I mean, jeezus.......


Dom
-seriously, what the hell was in that vial?

[Onslaught Six]

...Yeah, the old cruddy stuff. I think Dom meant the new cruddy stuff.

2004 is 'old'?

It's 2011. That's seven years.

Yes.