Re: Armada Unicron
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:15 am
You cannot with the game of 'Chess,' which has rules, but half of chess is the metagame surrounding chess. You can still easily win that metagame.
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No.Dominic wrote:That does it. This thread is officially "internet stereo-type thread".
That's the thing though... You're looking at it from simply the perspective of winning and loosing or in this case, a stalemate. JT's point is, as I understand it and Onslaught Six says, the 'metagame' surrounding the match which may have another outcome than the game itself.Dominic wrote:As for playing to a stalemate, I recall that episode. Making an enemy quite in annoyance, or make a mistake due to impatience is one thing. But, in the case of King v/s King, you simply cannot win. Nobody can.
And what I'm saying is he was an artificial variable, not one that fit the situation. They had to shoehorn him into that position in a sloppy manner.Dominic wrote:What I am saying about Hotrod/Rodimus/whatever is that he was a variable on the field. Yes, he was an idiot. But, he was as useful idiot for a guy like Megatron. Despite being tired, Megatron had the presence of mind to use the little twerp as a shield.
This is why I said chess was a shitty metaphor. If we were talking about Megatron vs. Megatron, or Optimus vs. Optimus, where the players are exactly evenly matched and can only move in exactly the same ways, then your comment has any meaning. For this discussion, however, it has none.King v/s King is unwinnable for both parties, regardless of skill.My point wasn't proving who wins or loses, just that there's nothing else to do on the chessboard but fight. Whether or not that ends in a draw depends on the intellect and abilities of the players.
Haw! Season 2, where Data didn't beat him, he "busted him up". I didn't remember Kolrami having a first name, and I'm a major Trekkie, so either kudos to your memory or shame on you for looking it up.Sparky Prime wrote:You're reminding me of TNG episode "Peak Performance". Data couldn't beat Sirna Kolrami at the game Strategema, so instead he altered his strategy to settle for a stalemate. Eventually Kolrami quit in frustration. As Data explains his 'winning' that match is all a matter of perspective.Dominic wrote:King v/s King is unwinnable for both parties, regardless of skill.
LOL.... Well I actually saw the episode recently but truth be told I did look it up, mainly because I wasn't sure how to spell it.JediTricks wrote:Haw! Season 2, where Data didn't beat him, he "busted him up". I didn't remember Kolrami having a first name, and I'm a major Trekkie, so either kudos to your memory or shame on you for looking it up.
And what I'm saying is he was an artificial variable, not one that fit the situation. They had to shoehorn him into that position in a sloppy manner.