Re: Armada Unicron
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:28 am
Hulk is Hulk. Meanwhile, Dr. Light is an idiot who let Dr. Wily steal his six robots.
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I'm sorry, did you just say "Rodimus"??? WTF, when did I start conversing with Hasbro's legal dept.? By your argument, every cheap punk in every budget cop show is a field genius when he uses a hostage to get away, and I'm not buying it, especially when said hostage just wanders in like a retard because the writers needed him to. Shit Rod's injection into the fight was an UNREASONABLE variable, especially when you yourself pointed out that Kup told him to keep out of it.Dominic wrote:I agree that Rodimus is an enema nozzle. But, the fact is that the fight shows how field conditions, (including other guys mucking around on the field), can be relevant variables.
Yes, Prime can win a physical contest. But, with certain (not unreasonable) variables, Megatron could beat Prime using his own virtues. (Megatron's virtues include ruthlessness.)
My point wasn't proving who wins or loses, just that there's nothing else to do on the chessboard but fight. Whether or not that ends in a draw depends on the intellect and abilities of the players.Actually, the game is pretty much over. Technically, one could move around for 5 moves, but the game still ends in a draw.When you have it down to that chessboard of king vs. king, there's nothing else to do but fight.
At least you're owning that your failure is complete, young Skywalker.Dom
-misread JT's bit about chess rather creatively.
All it says to me is that they're fighting machines!Mako Crab wrote:If you want to talk about fairness, how about the fact that Megatron had been fighting all day, all night, and all the next day before a fully-charged and ready Optimus Prime even set foot on the field? What's it say that Megatron was still able to give him the fight of his life despite having been going non-stop for a day and a half? So Prime went into the fight with an advantage and Megatron found an advantage (Hot Rod) that he was able to exploit. Sounds about even to me.
That's the bottom line, they're machines, we don't really know how fighting for 72 hours would affect Megs' abilities, he may have vast stores of energy that let him fight for weeks at a time. He's a giant machine-man, it's not unreasonable that he's gonna run longer than we would.onslaught86 wrote:Do bear in mind that the Autobots had a severe Energon shortage due to the Decepticons taking over Cybertron. So Prime likely wasn't at full power, but still, valid point right thar.
Those are interesting points, we've never actually seen Prime kick ass so quickly and effectively before, not even remotely, and there may be a reason, he may be digging down deep too.Dominic wrote:This also gets into the idea of fuel economy for TFs. We never saw the last time Prime charged up, and he just flew a ship from Cybertron. Now assuming that TFs are similar to people, (this being soft sci-fi and all), 1 hour of flying a ship (driving) is the same as 3 hours of being awake otherwise, (in terms of cognitive and sensory load).
And, how much fuel did Prime burn while driving through all those 'Cons?
I'm now picturing Megatron kicking back in business class eating peanuts and drinking a complimentary soda.Dominic wrote:Megatron may well have had time to rest/recharge between scenes. It depends how long the flight from Cybertron to Earth is. Megatron could have rested. And, the battle at Metroplex went on for at least a day or so. Note the elapsed time once the shelling starts.
Of course, we do not know if Megatron actually does recharge or not, just that he probably could have.
King v/s King is unwinnable for both parties, regardless of skill.My point wasn't proving who wins or loses, just that there's nothing else to do on the chessboard but fight. Whether or not that ends in a draw depends on the intellect and abilities of the players.
Fook you. He is Grant Morrison. If you do not like it, you are clearly too stupid to get what he is saying. He makes it like this to show you how bad it is. If you knew how bad it was, you would not need Grant Morrison to show you. YOu do not know what you want. That is why you do not like Grant Morrison. (In all seriousness, Morrison reminds me of "All Star" lex Luthor with that quote O6 posted.)Onslaught Six wrote:Grant Morrison on Final Crisis:
"And it’s taking a lot of trends that I see in comics and pushing them to the max to see, 'do we really want it to be like this'?""
No! We do not! Why are you making it like this!
See, I think I liked Rogue's Revenge when you didn't because I'm in such a different position than you. This was the first time I'd really read a story with these characters, so I dug the way they were presented to me here (Especially Captain Cold, who became one of my favorite DC characters just from this story, though 'Last Will and Testament' helped too). So even if this story did 'undo years of character development' (and honestly, there didn't seem to be a lot of out-and-out retconning that I could catch, Barry Allen aside), it wasn't really a big deal to me, since I wasn't privvy to it, this story serving as an introductory chapter for me instead.Dominic wrote:I hated Rogue's Revenge. It existed just to set up for more bastardized combining of Silver and Modern age sensibilities, and it undid years of development for a number of characters, just to they can fight Barry Allen again.
You're reminding me of TNG episode "Peak Performance". Data couldn't beat Sirna Kolrami at the game Strategema, so instead he altered his strategy to settle for a stalemate. Eventually Kolrami quit in frustration. As Data explains his 'winning' that match is all a matter of perspective.Dominic wrote:King v/s King is unwinnable for both parties, regardless of skill.JediTricks wrote: My point wasn't proving who wins or loses, just that there's nothing else to do on the chessboard but fight. Whether or not that ends in a draw depends on the intellect and abilities of the players.