SynjoDeonecros wrote:Yes, I HAVE watched the Agenda (it's got Ravage in it; you'd really think I've NOT watched it a million times, already?), and I can say for a fact that they DID react with the same whimsy and disbelief you'd have if YOU saw something you thought was a myth.
I just watched it on youtube, and I can say for a fact that no they did not.
As for BWII, the Transformers THERE didn't know they WERE on Earth until they saw the human wreckage, HENCE THEN NAME PLANET GAIA.
They never actually said they were on Earth in that entire series. It wasn't until the Robot Masters packaging for Lio Convoy that it was ever confirmed to be Earth.
But anyway, look at the Predacons reactions in the first episode. They meant to go to Earth's past but they had no idea what planet they ended up on at first because none of the "landmarks" (such as the moon, or even number of moons) they'd expected matched up. I can see the same being true for BWII given Earth had changed a lot since the last time any Transformers had been there, so they weren't sure it was even the same planet.
And, as I said before, this took place AT THE SAME EXACT TIME AS THE ORIGINAL BW CARTOON.
Not according to IDW, but either way, this is a time travel story we're talking about here. BW literally takes place in the ancient past while BWII/Neo takes place in their present.
How is that "proof" against my position? If anything, it's proof FOR my position, as it's just more evidence of how freaking ignorant they are of their own freaking past.
Because they didn't know what planet they were on? Again, Earth had changed a lot in both situations.
THE CLEAR INDICATION WAS THAT THEY COULD NOT LEARN, WHICH IS WHY THEY WERE SO IGNORANT, NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN. And Alexander's reign we have PLENTY of evidence to study to help dispel some of the myths behind it; the indication is that THE MAXIMALS HAD NO SUCH PROOF AVAILABLE TO THEM, BECAUSE IT WAS ALL LOCKED UP. You're ignoring those two simple things just to prove that they didn't WANT to learn, instead of trying to prove how they COULDN'T learn, which is the argument here.
There is no possible way the Maximal Elders could possibly lock up that much history. The Great War took place over more than 4 million years. The populace would miss that big of a chunk of time. Not to mention there is absolutely zero evidence to suggest they covered up all of that history. Quite the opposite actually given we do see the Maximals know about the Ark and Nemesis and even Iacon as shown later on in Beast Machines. Not to mention we know there are still some survivors from the Great War around. In fact, we
only know of
one thing the Maximal Elders actually classified and that was information on Starscream.
And again, WHO WILL KNOW ABOUT PROTOFORM X? Seems like they had little problem covering it up WITHOUT having to seal Starscream's records, even AFTER the Colony Omicron incident.
You think some of the populace wouldn't be the least bit curious why a couple
entire colonies disappeared? Certainly some of them would start digging to find out why. That's why the Maximal Elders would classify
all information relating to Protoform X.
No, I'm sorry, but you're not going to convince me; I've done my homework, I've studied as much as I could about this, and THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS, AT ALL. There is EVERY evidence to show that they WERE that ignorant because they COULDN'T learn, JUST AS THE WRITERS WANTED. They failed by showing us that they COULD learn.
If you want to be stubborn about it that's fine, but there is evidence in the show that shows they weren't as ignorant as you claim them to be, whether you want to admit it or not.